Red Lantana

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Red Lantana

Postby minnie » Sat Aug 21, 2010 3:30 pm

Well it happened, my beautiful heifer Cinnamon (dun dexter) went down with Red Lantana poisoning last week! :cry:

Luckily we got the vet out Thursday morning, may not get change from $700 but she's alive. :D

I slept in the car next to the yard DH put around her made of cattle panels, so dogs wouldn't get her and to get food and water into her.

Yesterday we were able to move her closer to the house so we can see her from the verandah and put a spot light on her at night and we were able to sleep in the house... much better nights sleep than the car I can tell you. ;)

So now DH is pulling every single bit in their paddock and we got in some rhodes bales and are feeding lucerne to the all as well, to stop them on the Lantana, none of the others are showing any signs but we're watching them like hawks I can tell you.

Horrible stuff Lantana, an absolute scourge to this country.

Just hoping we can get her back on top and that she won't have problems for life... I thought she was in calf but I'd say by the look of her now she most likely aborted, such a shame and so terrible for her.

Vicki
PS We sure are being tested this year :roll:

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Re: Red Lantana

Postby Shadowgirlau » Sat Aug 21, 2010 9:08 pm

So sorry to hear about the Lantana episode. Hope that all will improve and there will be no permanent damage as a result of this.

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Re: Red Lantana

Postby Heidi » Sun Aug 22, 2010 2:03 pm

I'm so sorry to hear that. My neighbour lost 20 head to red lantana last year after he put his steers in his flood refuge paddock. Some cattle get a taste for it,and others copy them. Good that you're watching her and the others. How much do you have on the property? Sounds like a big job, you'd better get on to it before summer hits and you won't want to be out in the heat then, or have to worry about the cows.
Thinking of you and hope she's continuing to improve.
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Re: Red Lantana

Postby childoftheearth » Sun Aug 22, 2010 6:17 pm

Hi Vicky,

I'm so sorry to hear Cinnamon was so ill.

Since I read your post I did some reading on the toxic effects of Lantana and also Patterson's Curse, and how to identify them. It looks like we will not have to worry about Lantana as it is not a problem in Tas, but Patterson's Curse could be.

Although you have had a horrible emotional and financial experience, at least some good has come out of it, as I would not previously have known what to look out for.

I hope Cinnamon is on the mend.
Elaine

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Re: Red Lantana

Postby Glyn » Sun Aug 22, 2010 6:41 pm

Hi Vicky,
So sorry to hear about Cinnamon, yes you have had a "horribilis", lets hope she gets over it quickly and that your luck changes soon . What are the signs of red lantana poisoning? Are all the others safe?
Best of luck,
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Re: Red Lantana

Postby minnie » Mon Aug 23, 2010 8:32 am

Hi Kathleen,
Yes we're doing all we can to try to ensure there's no permanent damage to her liver or kidneys, so hopefully with good feed and treatment we'll get her back to where she was.

Hi Heidi,
We don't have a lot of red but lots of pink, that's the difficulty in that they're used to eating the pink here with no ill effects... so all must come out. DH is pulling as we speak. Hopefully we'll be out there by summer as we MUST settle by October, and DH looks like living out there until we're there at the moment so that keeps a closer eye.

Hi Elaine,
Lantana is the scourge of the North, it's totally uncontrollable as the birds carry the seed and it grows like crazy along creeks, rivers, roadsides and pops up all over the place. It's a horrible plant, why anyone would have it in a garden with it's prickly stems and yucky smell, I don't know. But that's how it came into the country and in some states is still sold as a garden plant. I thought I had Pattersons Curse at one stage but it was another weed that with wet weather disappeared.

Hi Glyn,
It sure has been a 'horribilis' so it should get better now!!
I hadn't seen it before so we were watching but... At first she was just a bit quiet and had a dry nose, but continued to eat and drink so we thought just the change in environment had her a bit off. Then she got a snotty nose, and her eyes were a bit 'bloodshot' DH said, I didn't see her he was describing it over the phone, we thought maybe she's just a bit off. Next time (2 days later) her weight had drastically fallen, her eyes were peeling and fully jaundiced, her nose was peeling and she was disorientated and have real difficulty walking. That was Thursday. I went out when he got home (he had to be here to answer question from a prospective buyer early Fri) and she was stuck between two trees in her pen (made up of panels), getting her out she took some skin off both hips. It was heartbreaking, she's always been a picture of health and now I was looking at this frail dying animal. Mind you she was still strong enough that by myself I couldn't get some stuff down her neck.

We've fed her calf pellets, mineral powder, high quality lucerne chaff and lucerne hay, fresh water and yesterday she had white back in her eyes and much improved. Wasn't easy getting a penicillin injection in her, as she kept moving, but I got half.

There a good brochure from the DPI QLD http://www.dpi.qld.gov.au/documents/Bio ... -Flyer.pdf

Vicki

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Re: Red Lantana

Postby Glyn » Mon Aug 23, 2010 5:56 pm

Hi Vicki
Gee this really annoys me. We had a calf (Floppy because the tag bent his ear) who developed symptoms very similar to this. Firstly his eyes clouded over and his nose became dry and peeled then his skin just tore if he brushed against anything and he was very light sensitive. All happened very suddenly. The vet said it was poisoning "of some kind" and gave us antibiotics to stop secondary infections. He explained that photo sensitivity was caused by liver damage which meant that the chlorophyll from green feed was able to pass into the blood stream where it reacts with sunlight let in through the white patches (he was black & white) and literally cooks the skin from the inside out. So we took him inside the big shed and fed him on pellets and straw (no green feed)- for 3 months! All the white skin peeled off and he looked shocking but he always had a good appetite and never appeared to be in any pain and had an incredible will to live . He was blind for a long time but eventually his eyes cleared and his white skin grew back- mostly- but he did loose the tassel on his tail. None of the locals had ever seen anything like it and the vets were vague. I had no feedback on the calf raising forums I was using at the time and eventually we put it down to some green spored parasol mushrooms that we found growing in the yard, because no-one had any other suggestions . There was no lantana in the paddock he was in but the pink is in the creek along side and he could possibly have reached some through the fence. I am just shocked to think that nobody - locals or vets- even brought up lantana as a possibility. I guess they all feel that its only the pink around here and that's Ok.
Anyway he made a remarkable recovery and we were really surprised that when we put him back with the others he was almost as big. He remained light sensitive but as long as there were adequate trees in the paddock he was fine. He weighed out as the biggest when sent to the works and we never even lost money on the hide, even though to us it was still skungy.
We have pink lantana in the back paddocks that the older cattle use and we have been progressively clearing it - will definitely up the effort now. Thanks for the info Vicki - it takes a while to build up the knowledge base when you move to a new area.
Glyn

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Re: Red Lantana

Postby minnie » Wed Aug 25, 2010 8:20 am

Hi Glyn,

Pink lantana will make them sick if they come from somewhere that doesn't have it and they're not used to it but otherwise it's normally okay. In saying this I was speaking to a Landcare person who's been involved in poison testing of lantana (trying to find the best way to kill it) and she said she has a red that has changed colour over a few years and is now white! So not to trust the colour of the flower to pull it all.

Ours were used to eating red so they didn't see the danger as ones born with it do.

Phil's now almost pulled it from the paddock they're in, Cinnamon wants out of her pen but not until there's NONE. Then he starts on the next paddock.

Sounds to me like your calf had Lantana poisoning... I read somewhere some weeks back and can't find it of course that you need to put them in the shade and feed up on good quality lucerne and food hence us with the chaff and lucerne, but I noticed she made a bee line when we were moving her to the mineral block so I added the mineral powder (same as the block but powder form) into the chaff and pellets. Dehydration they lose their minerals and although the vet gave her electrolytes she obviously felt she needed more.

Sadly I think she looked to be in calf, but the vet thinks she would definitely have aborted in the condition she was and I have to agree, she looked terrible.

I wish now I'd taken photos each day to show you, but my first thought was getting her well and didn't think about it until she was really improved.

Hideous stuff that Lantana and it stinks and pickles.
:twisted:
Vicki

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Re: Red Lantana

Postby dggoatlover » Wed Aug 25, 2010 9:41 am

Yes it is horrible stuff - what it does to the poor animal is even worse! Grrrrr! I lost one of my little goatlings to lantana earlier this year. I think it is one of the most horrid ways I have watched an animal die. :cry: :cry:

None of the three goats affected had peeling skin, however they had runny noses and extreme swelling around the head and rear ends along with jaundice. The youngest one was too far gone and we lost her but the other two pulled through fine with a dose of ADE and a long term antibiotic and loads of Vit C.

Hope Cinnamon pulls through for you Vicki! Watch out for relapse.

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Re: Red Lantana

Postby minnie » Wed Aug 25, 2010 2:18 pm

Thanks Desley,

You're right it's just a horrible way to go... so far things are going well with her, so I'm hoping no long term effects.

When we can contain her, as in head bale, I can try some vitamin injections... at the moment I don't think I'm going to be able to give her the penicillin this afternoon as DH says she full of beans and raring to get out of the pen.

The one I gave her Sunday could only get half in as she wasn't in a bale.

I guess it's good that she's got some beans and putting on weight.

The penicillin was for secondary infections but I think she'll be fine if we can't give it.

The Vet was happy with her progress yesterday.
:D
Vicki

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Re: Red Lantana

Postby minnie » Mon Aug 30, 2010 12:16 pm

Update on Cinnamon.

Cinnamons dam calved on Saturday and we noticed that Cinnamon had really bagged up, so it looked as though she hadn't aborted the calf after all.

Sunday about 1.30pm she calved, the smallest calf I've ever seen, 10kg with a light 'velvet' coat and having trouble to get on her feet. She's less than half the size of the one born the previous day.

We brought her home, tried for colostrum at the local dairy, we didn't have a hope of milking her in the paddock (no bale ready yet) but they didn't have any so I did the big ring around and got two frozen litres this morning, just goes to show it's worthwhile freezing some.

She (now named Fatima the Miracle) spent the night having two hourly feeds, wrapped in blankets in front of the fire.

Today I got her a little dog coat and took her out onto the lawn and she was walking and trying to jump and run but still very wobbly.

She's sucking well and using her bowels and bladder so here's hoping.
:D
Vicki

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Re: Red Lantana

Postby Heidi » Mon Aug 30, 2010 2:07 pm

Yipeee Yipeee Yipeee!
And thank goodness its a heifer.... somehow I'd hate putting all that extra attention onto a bull calf that was destined for the freezer! Now the vet bills were REALLY worth it (not that they weren't in the first place, but this makes it doubly so).
So happy to hear your good news... low res pics please! I've heard lots about how small dexter calves are... so you will have to put something of known size next to her in the pic so I can gauge size (perhaps a cat???!!!).
Bye for now,
H.

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Re: Red Lantana

Postby minnie » Mon Aug 30, 2010 5:17 pm

Hi Heidi,

Tried the cat today but he wouldn't co-operate, will measure her height tomorrow here's a pic below... she's the smallest calf I've ever seen and my neighbour who's had cattle all his life said it's the smallest living one.

The calf at front is a normal sized dexter, she is 24 hours older than the one on the ground.
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Re: Red Lantana

Postby Mojojo » Mon Aug 30, 2010 5:44 pm

Oh wow, sure is a tiny little thing, looks about the size of a lamb!
Hope all goes well with her.
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Re: Red Lantana

Postby Heidi » Mon Aug 30, 2010 7:54 pm

Laughing myself silly here... I was looking at the pic first and thinking to myself... gee, that calf doesn't look that tiny to me... what's she going on about... then of course I read the post, and realised that she was sniffing her calf on the ground... I was so distracted by the larger calf I just thought she was sniffing at a pile of manure or something... ITS A CALF!!!! My goodness, she is so tiny tiny tiny!!!! Please take good care of her (like you were going to do anything else) and I REALLY want to see her next to that cat!
Thanks so much for this, what a great thing to see!
Bye for now,
H.

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Re: Red Lantana

Postby dggoatlover » Tue Aug 31, 2010 9:00 am

Its so lucky that she held onto the calf for that long! Definitely great that you have viable heifer :D Fingers crossed there are no long term health problems with her or mum for you. It can be so heartbreaking when things don't go right :( Thank goodness you were able to get hold of some colostrum as she would have really needed it to boost her system being so small! She looks totally gorgeous!!!!! :D :D :D :D Can't wait to see some pics of her up and about :D :D

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Re: Red Lantana

Postby Shadowgirlau » Tue Aug 31, 2010 9:55 am

How gorgeous, so glad to hear that you now have a little heifer and all was not lost.

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Re: Red Lantana

Postby minnie » Tue Aug 31, 2010 5:14 pm

Thanks Guys,

Measured her today Heidi, she's about 15" tall, and a non-short dexter so proportional.

I've spent the entire day in the garden with her, only left to get her bottles and hang out 'her' washing. :lol:
:D
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Re: Red Lantana

Postby Heidi » Tue Aug 31, 2010 5:56 pm

At 15 inches, that's not a calf that's a cat! I think you're having us on! :lol: Keep up the TLC, she's going to grow up to be lovely!
H

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Re: Red Lantana

Postby minnie » Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:51 am

Well she's probably small dog size, bit bigger than a cat :lol:

When I can get Phil to be here, he's still pulling lantana, I'll get a photo of her next to me. ;)

She's going really well this morning, had a big tantie as I wasn't getting the bottle quick enough and then tottered over the polished floor (after slipping the first few times).

Got to go check her, spending a lot of time in the garden at the moment... really not good for work but what else is there to do.
:D
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